Friday, 15 February 2013

Hasbro Exclusive: Gatling Gun Foam-Paintball blaster



What really comes to mind is OzNerfNerd' voltage mods creating 67v gatling guns:



"So okokok, where is the pic man??"

Hasbro Nerf's secret Paintball blaster - but it's not without it's problems... anyone say Stampede ECS-50?

Patent number: 8136515
Filing date: 27 Aug 2009
Issue date: 20 Mar 2012
Application number12/583,902


Now the Patent Design was filed back originally in August 2009, and they completed a filing for the Innovation File Date at March 2012.

"That's all very nice MyLastDart, who cares?" 

What does that mean? It means there are working protoypes of this model in existence. This is the difference - the Stampede ECS-50 drum never got passed this stage. The Gatling has.

Hasbro not being one to backdown so easy, also have an additional patent for foam ball-sized projectiles. Pretty much you can expect them to be Nerf Vortex discette material. They don't hurt anymore than an Elite dart at point blank, a slight sting, but no pain no gain people?

So it's been on the cards for sometime now, and in development due to a heavy demand from a fans, but inspired by several gatling gun Vulcan vids. It's been a labour of love for the Engineers and Design teams, but there is just one hiccup - a major one in fact. The Paintballs themselves are prone to damage or worse damaged to the point they explode inside the blaster - causing jams. This was actually a make-or-break factor.

It's something they are looking at but with diminished results due to the nature of the Paintballs not being able to handle the high rate of fire (they eventually crack and break inside the drum/blaster causing major jams). They have created foam-balls which achieve a similar result. The blaster can handle around 100-300 rounds, with an unseen Repetitive 5 Stack-Rerack Smart Internal System (you could hold the trigger and unload up to 5 consecutive rounds, i.e if you only fire 3 rounds, and then wait, it will reset the counter to allow you to continue a renewed 5 burst cycle).

I suggested to them to take the name "The Goliath MLD-X100" to which they laughed and said it's at the top of the list. Wow. What an honour right?? :) And that could be yours too - it remains unnamed, so feel free to throw some ideas around - you could name the next gen blaster!

I can't give up anymore on what I played with at the Toy Fair 2013, but feel free to tell me what your thoughts on this are guys. You're feedback can help further develop this and perhaps guide them in ideas not previously thought of. So please help develop those discussions here, so I can collect it and feed it back.

19 comments:

  1. Nerf needs to come out with more sturdy, decently sized stocks like the raider stock. The retaliator stock was sturdy enough but a bit too short.

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  2. Not entirely surprising, if there's a couple of things I've picked up from their design process they'll end up either cannibalizing some features of prototypes and make them apply to other blasters (I believe the Raider is one of them that resulted from this) and they're working 1-2 years in advance of what they're putting out (see they've been working on Rebelle for 2 years as it turns out).

    I was sitting around with some guys talking about why the Stryfe and the Barricade came out as they did, and having met folks from Hasbro I find it hard to believe not one of them thought "hmmm, maybe we can put A into B as we have C into B" as they are some pretty intelligent folks. But they can't go around announcing everything, toy business is serious business. Tl;Dr - it's cool and hopefully they can make it or something like it.

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    1. Completely right Vas, I was shocked when they referred to the Roughcut, Stryfe, Strongarm, Firestrike as all out of date blasters. I'm pumped for 2014/2015 lol forget 2013 :P

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  3. As far as a gatling gun / minigun style blaster goes, especially according to the prototype pictures, I'd be mad stoked if they actually made one. Not so much interested in the paintball side of it, but keeping foam-sports related would be ideal for most people like me.

    The Nerf Vulcan or the Air Zone Punisher are the closest anyone has come to it thus far, but both have their problems and short-comings. In fact this OzNerfNerd 67v Vulcan is what inspired my "Iron Kurtain" mod which melds both the Vulcan internals and the Punisher aesthetics together.. I might do a vid on it actually :P

    The problem with making a minigun style blaster use foam darts / balls is being able to not only fire properly (which ammo belts are notorious for being very "hit and miss") but to also reload the darn thing. Even with my Iron Kurtain, using a modded 100-dart capacity Vulcan belt, and having to brace a big paint bucket underneath the blaster, it takes a long time to reload the belts with darts, to the point I've needed to make EXTRA belts just to replace mid-battle...

    With the "100 darts in a Dead Mans Chest - does not take Rambo long to expend " if it's implying what I think it is, I'm very keen to not only see WHAT it is, but HOW it works.

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    1. Zandor would love to see your Iron Kurtain project man! Any pics? Please do link us to the vid when it's done man!

      There are some innovative "new drums" coming. Be excited man!

      How would this affect your games? Do you HvsZ? What limits do you suppose we can expect from people using this? 1drum and done?

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    2. One drum and done seems to be pretty standard. It's just hard to carry those suckers around. If people want to carry lots of ammo, inline clips are pretty much the only way to go.

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  4. They should call it Gatlin' Storm or DETONATOR

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    1. I think DETONATOR is a pretty sick name! Added to the list bro!

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  5. Wait, I'm dreaming or this is a FULL AUTO AIR BLASTER?

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    1. What suggests to you it might be headed down that road?

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  6. Wow. I don't even know what to say.

    First of all, this looks like from the patent drawings to be a true Gatling type action with individual spring-piston powertrains for each barrel (compare to firing pins in the real steel). That is both a huge surprise to me that Hasbro would consider such a design, but somewhat expected that the thought crossed their minds. The nature of such system points to a level of engineering and quality that has always seemed to be beyond Hasbro to me. I imagine the cost will be substantial, but justified.

    Spherical projectile: Well, it's an interesting concept. Darts are somewhat complex to make, fragile, difficult to design in certain manners without making them unstable and inaccurate, and present reliability challenges. A ball of EVA foam or something, like a mini Ballistic Ball or a "reball" would remove those problems and be an accurate, uniform and safe object (made purely from foam, after all) to shoot at high velocity. So, I like it. Foam balls will make this fall squarely into the Nerf domain and attract Nerf fans and Nerfers - paintballs would not. Paint and single-use ammo would turn off 90% of the market from what I know. A foam ball gun could be used in HVZ or indoor wars alongside dart blaster, a paintball gun is a paintball gun with the associated mess and stigma of high-velocity .68 cal markers which would scare people off.

    Now for suggestions:

    - Magazine/drum/hopper: I recommend that the 5-shot burst limitation of the mag be removed with proper design. If that is only potential that requires modding to unlock (for example, motor power limited by the low-cost battery selection in the stock product), so be it. What you guys seem to be working on is VERY similar to a paintball hopper, and nowadays there are ENDLESS examples of these on the market which are designed for high rates of fire (10 BPS or 600rpm is slow for them). If it comes down to it, I would VASTLY prefer that this gun be equipped with a paintball-type hopper to feed it balls rather than some nerf-specific "smart" drum mag. PB hoppers are a PROVEN TECHNOLOGY which currently exists in a production state. At least, don't make it too much of a headache to retrofit/mod a real .50 cal (is it 50/68 cal in this case?) PB hopper to this gun.

    If for some reason I am totally wrong about the feed system, I would still prefer that a "dumb" stick magazine or belt feed be used instead of a limiting "smart drum" that would need to take a time-out and churn every 5 shots to sustain some semblance of full auto. For HVZ, I do not want that, and getting rid of the mag lag by whatever means necessary would be priority one in my modding of this thing, whether that is by modding the smart drum or by replacing it with something else like a pb hopper. In short, if you are appealing to Rambo type usage profiles you NEED to be able to sustain full auto. Preferably at least 450-500RPM full auto.

    What modders are going to want to do with this is massively increase its cyclic rate and possibly its capacity. The most important thing to remember about mod community is that modders do not respond to stock performance, they respond to performance IMPROVEMENTS and absolute performance after the modding is complete. Releasing a product that is head and shoulders above everything else *AND* offers a platform for doing truly insane things will put one in EVERY modder's hands, which means sales and publicity.

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    1. Bro I agree with everything you said, and I agree there needs to be something Modders can get their teeth stuck into - it is after all Stock user AND Mod feedback that changes their direction.

      I am extremely happy to get this feedback and pass it on to them, you Sir are a legend. Please do keep it coming!

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    2. One thing to note: you mentioned "high-velocity .68 cal markers" scaring people off. However, having bigger foam balls means less pain since there is more padding. The velocity of markers is independent. It's a setting on the marker itself.

      I think having a ball projectile is absolutely brilliant. It gives a number of advantages:

      You can carry more ammo in the same amount of space.

      A simple ball should be easier and less expensive to produce and therefore buy.

      Balls (as mentioned above)have better accuracy and can potentially go further.


      I would love to see these on pistols, especially if it meant the magazine feeds through the handle. I hate those big ugly and awkward paintball hoppers sitting on top of the marker.

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  7. I should clarify in my last comment, the note about how I suspect spring piston power is not from the actual patent. Personally I cannot see that actual patent being anything like a Hasbro production product - that is a patent for a true-blue paintball minigun powered by compressed gas.

    Rather, that was a speculation based on that fact that Hasbro has this patent and intends to develop a Nerf product from it.

    Additionally, the same consideration applies to the loader. I was giving priority to the "Repetitive 5 Stack-Rerack Smart Internal System" mention over the mechanical loader of the patent paintball gatling gun.

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  8. For the name, how about "Semperfire EBF-200"?
    Komodo

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  9. U know what is crazy about these nerf gun designs?? A minigun type gun is nice but seriouly all they gots to do is just create a simplified lighter version of the stampede that takes c size batteries with more room for bigger hands to hold the foregrip instead of a removable foregrip. maybe even a vulcan that actually has a pistol grip below the middle of gun to balance the heavy blaster. keep it simple hasbro.

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  10. i was thinking that since it takes a rough two years to design a nerf blaster. this may be the 9-9-14 blaster?!?!?!

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